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Thursday, May 18, 2017
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I'm cool, but I'm not THAT cool.
Major Tom

I'm almost to the end of my first year teaching high school. I like to think I'm a pretty cool teacher. I get along with the kids for the most part.We have some laughs. We talk about music when I'm not teaching them history, and I'm still cool enough to know the new stuff. I've kept in contact with a lot of my old students from when I taught middle school, and several of them still think I'm cool. I've gone to concerts with some of them who are now adults. I even went and saw Bernie Sanders speak at Reid Park with one of them. But I am still not as cool as Mike Schmidt. This dude teaches at University High, which shares a campus with my school. He plays Quiz from time to time with a team of
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, May 11, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Blame it on Lenin.
Major Tom

I missed you guys! I've had three substitutes in the last six weks at the Crown. That really isn't like me. I generally never miss a Quiz. Unfortunately, I had to miss three in quick succession for various reasons that I couldn't avoid. Natasha had a Quiz For A Cause that supported farming meat, and she is a vegan, so we switched venues. Then my friends in Killswitch Engage came to Phoenix on a Thursday with Anthrax, a band that I have been a fan of since high school, so I had to go to that. Then last week was the Star Wars Quiz at my other venue, so I had to do that one. I'm all yours now, though. I hope you didn't decide you liked any of my subs better than you like me! I have been
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, May 04, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Ta-Da! It's a Boner!
Mitchicus Mathematicus

While many of you were hopefully enjoying the Star Wars quiz, Jess of Cats and I held down the fort at Canyon's Crown, and we had a whole 15 teams join us. Thank you all for coming! To be honest, we weren't sure how many teams we would get with the Guardians Vol 2 and the far, far away things. This was also my first time experimenting with a wireless mic. I felt so free! I wanted to take laps around Crown but that would cause disconnect problems. We had a question about Pythagorean Theorem, and while I was quite relieved to see that most of you recognized the 5-12-13 triple, it got me thinking about what is commonly called Fermat's Last Theorem. While there are
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Howdy, all. Mitch here. I'm an Arizona-grown U of A alum with a job teaching students that Math doesn't have to suck. I've been quizzing with friends for three years and have been loving it ever since. Now as a QM, I just need to work on the whole talking and blogging thing. 

I am a huge retro gamer. I should have won the Star Fox Weekend leather jacket as a kid, and I did win a Nintendo Wii playing Guitar Hero. I'm sadly lacking in knowledge of all the "cool" games kids play these days, but I'm still down with the classics. I'm also a fan of bad movies and mozzarella cheesesticks. 

Other life accomplishments include being published in "Highlights" magazine, going on Wheel of Fortune, meeting Walter Jones the power ranger, beating Super Metroid in 80 minutes with 100% completion, and never going to Senior Prom.


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Apr 27, 2017
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Your Quizmaster is wicked sick, yo!
Major Tom

You've probably noticed that this Blog is a bit late. Here's the reason for that: I have been pretty sick this week. You probably didn't notice that at Quiz last night, because I'm so damn professional, but I felt like crap last night. It seems like the Black Death or whatever has been getting around quite a bit lately. Last week, I went to see my friends in Killswitch Engage play a concert in Phoenix. Half of the band was sick. I hung out with them a bit, and then I came home to teach my germ collections known as high school kids all week. A ton of them have been sick lately. From one source or another, I picked up some horrible illness. I did take one day off this week from the teaching
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Apr 20, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Have you met Wandering Joe?
Caribbean Joe

4/20 is a pretty special day. Tom had to take the night off to go catch some friends play a show. Ask him about it, I’m sure he will have a good story or two.  So back to 4/20, my day started a little later. Rolled off the airbed, and started packing, I was hoping for some relaxation, but that really wasn’t going to happen.  The fire was lit and I was off. I looked around and inhaled deeply and set to it. It was going to be a grind, but I was ready. Fortunately, my girlfriend had prepped a lot the night before, so I lit up at the thought of having a bit less to do. Initially things looked a bit hazy, but soon I saw the path and we were off. A little at a time, and soon
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I enjoy long walks on the beach, scooter rides and zombies.  

I have a BS in BS.  I can BS in at least 2 languages and I can convincingly imitate a few others.

I enjoy any occasion to dress up.  I will go disco, zombie or Mandalorian if you give me a reason. 

I am Caribbean Joe.  Born in Texas, I lived in the southwest pretty much all my life.  A desert dweller's life for me.  

So I picked up quizzing after my friend and scorekeeper, Island Amy, found an ad and prodded me to audition.  The rest is history.  Loving the quiz and the people it draws.  If I am not quizzing, you may find me out enjoying Tucson.

You may also see me around town on my scooter.  Feel free to wave.

If you want to know more, stop by and quiz and meet me and I just might answer your questions. Hell I may even answer you truthfully.


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Apr 13, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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A crazy week
Major Tom

It's been a pretty crazy week. Testing at school. A giant project due for one of my classes. I found out that you don't have to be old to get shingles. Someone stole my barbecue grill right out from under my stairs. Last night we had twenty eight teams. That is seriously crazy. It's only due to the skill of Scorekeeper Dini that we were able to get everyone out of the Crown last night only fifteen minutes late. Personally, I like huge crowds. I find a night when the house is completely packed to be exciting. There's an energy to it. Another crazy thing? Geeks just announced that the next themed Quiz is Star Wars and will cover only the five best movies. It's on May the Fourth (as in May
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Apr 06, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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A Bunch of Aging Goths Walk in To A Pub...
Natasha Noir

And luckily, there was an entire round on Hot Topic and Gothic Literature. Let's just say you should all be happy that I was subbing in for Tom instead of playing the game. I may know a lot of things on those, uh, topics. Although, I am saddened that more of these creepsters didn't know about Penny Dreadful. It may be my favorite show of all time. If you haven't seen it, do that. Make space in your weekend schedule and do it. Spoiler alert: it's only three seasons so you have no excuse. Ok, that's enough. I think you got my point. Let's get on to the quiz recap. It was another rousing evening of ups and downs on the score board. As it usually is when I sub at The Canyon's Crown
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Hello from the dusty trails of the Sonoran Desert! I am Natasha Noir, a vintage culture loving, burlesque dancing, animal loving, horror fiend who happens to love geeking out! I love positions with authority so it seems that becoming a Quiz Master was a well heeled and logical step for me. From the bottom of my little black heart with love.


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
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85715
Thursday, Mar 30, 2017
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Chinese film and female anatomy. What more do you need?
Major Tom

Last night's Quiz was pretty crazy. First, a round on Chinese titles for American movies. The round proved once and for all that the China is absolutely nuts. Then a music round that mashed up all kinds of songs with Smashmouth's "All-Star". Then a round on female anatomy, in which I tried to get one of the servers, who said the round made her feel uncomfortable, to read a question. She wouldn't do it, but the bartender ran over and did it. Yay, Lexi! Add a huge crowd, and you have the makings of a Quiz to remember. My band once opened for Smashmouth. It was New Years' Eve on Mill Avenue in Tempe. They fenced off the entire street and had a ridiculously huge party.
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Mar 23, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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No, trivia can not wait till next week.
Major Tom

I like basketball. I really do. I went to the U of A and I played in the pep band. We went to the Tournament games and I went to the home games even after I graduated. My dad and my uncles and I would go to a regional every year. We filled out brackets at work at several jobs the I had over the years and gambled real money on it. I partied my ass off on 4th Avenue when the Cats won the championship in 1997. I'm quite a bit less into it these days, but I still get the excitement when it's time for March Madness. I brought one of my Quizzers, Colin a copy of the Tucson Citizen from that championship last night because I had an extra and I'm cleaning out my
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Mar 16, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria!
Major Tom

Last night was completely out of control. First of all, we had a metric ton of teams who showed up for Quiz. A bunch of teams were first timers who needed to be reassured that it would not be difficult to pick up on how to play. "How much does it cost? Free. But it says here $5 per person. That's for themed Quizzes. This is just a normal Quiz. How do I sign up? You don't. Just take one of those, one of those, and a pencil, and you're good. How does it work? I'll explain it on the mic when we get started. Where do I... I'll explain everything on the mic when we get started. You get the idea. Add to the sheer amount of Quizzers the fact that not only was there a
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Mar 09, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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I turned into a Martian. Whoa-oh-oh.
Major Tom

Last night there was a question about the Misfits. I find that amazing. Generally, as a fan of punk and heavy metal, I just assume that no one else knows anything about the music that I care about. In fact, a lot of the time, the music I like is ridiculed by people. It makes me very happy when I find that that is not always the case. Not only did someone on the editorial staff think enough of the Misfits to include them in the Quiz, but a whole lot of you guys got the answer right. That makes me happy. On Wednesday, there was an entire audio round of cover tunes by the Suburban Legends. The Suburban Legends are a ska band that my band played several shows with. One of my
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Mar 02, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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It's raining in Seattle? No way!
Major Tom

You're all missing Geek Bowl right now. I kept announcing it when tickets were going on sale, but none of you went. Once again, as far as I know, the only representation at Geek Bowl that Tucson has is the infamous Jeff the Chemist. Geek Bowl is a huge thing. Geeks Who Drink rents out a huge room, like the civic center of whatever city it's in that year, and they run the world's largest Quiz night, with teams from all over the country and huge cash prizes. It's a vacation weekend in where you can meet all kinds of fellow geeks from everywhere. So this year, Geek Bowl is in Seattle. What a city Seattle is! Right now, there is a ton of snow on the ground in Seattle and visibility is about a
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Feb 23, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Saddle up, Geeks!
Major Tom

Tucson is an interesting place. I mean, I suppose you could say that about most places, if you knew the quirky things that go one there. But there are some seriously different things here. One of those things is the celebration of holidays in February. Monday was Presidents' Day, in which we remember those presidents who did good things for our country, you know, rather than dismantle the entire thing. It's not a holiday that everyone gets, like Christmas, but government employees, bankers, and students nationwide get the day off. Except for teachers and students here. We don't get Presidents' Day off. Why? Because at the end of the same week is Rodeo Days. Thursday and Friday are days off
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Feb 16, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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D.B.A.D.
Major Tom

I grew up in a church-going family. Not like a crazy religious, conservative Republican family. Just a church-going family. Over time, I decided that I didn't want to go to church with my family any more. Mostly, I wanted to not get up early on Sunday mornings, but also, I just didn't like it. I still went on Christmas Eve because I was there with them, and that's what they did on Christmas Eve. The thing is, Christmas Eve is my birthday, so it became annoying to me that I had to go to church on my birthday. After a while, I decided that they could go without me. The more I learned about history and science, the less I believed what I had been taught as a kid, and the more I saw the bad things
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Feb 09, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Sorry I was late.
Major Tom

Parent-teacher conferences. Twice a year, I have to stay at work until minutes before I have to leave to get to Quiz at my east side venue. It never fails that I make a point of leaving immediately after finishing Quiz so that I can get home and write the Blog, because I won't have time between day job and night job to do it. It also never fails that I fall asleep when I get home before I do the Blog. So, as usual, I'm sitting here hoping no parents show up so that I can get this thing written in time for me to post it before Quiz tonight. Shit. Hold on a second... OK I'm back. Seriously, what kind of parent comes to parent conferences when their kid has a B in the class?
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Feb 02, 2017
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Don't be that guy.
Major Tom

There's always gotta be that guy. Everywhere you go, that guy is there. The one that just doesn't care. They don't care what the rest of us are doing. They don't care about the rules of common decency. Denis Leary immortalized that guy in his song "Asshole" when he sang "I use public toilets and I piss on the seat. I go around all summer saying 'how about this heat?'" That guy did n't bother to lock the teacher restroom this week at my school, and I don't even want to tell you what we found in there after the kids discovered the door unlocked. That guy lives at my complex and never cleans up after his dog. That guy posted what happened to Han Solo on Facebook immediately after seeing the Episode
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points.