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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Jan 19, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Tucson Was Very Off-ui!
Natasha Noir

I learned that Tucson folks are very fond of the Gilmore Girls. I also learned that when Tucson folks are in to something, they want to prove it by crowding in to a local pub to answer questions about it. I kinda like that about us. I'm sure The Canyon's Crown Restaurant and Pub likes it too since we flooded their place with eager quizzers this evening. The race was on! Teams were hopping all over the score board but in the end only one victor can emerge and carry the cold hard cash out the door. That team was In Omnia Paratus, we didn't have any snowfall but it was their lucky day. Coming in second by four points was Bad Girls Always
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Hello from the dusty trails of the Sonoran Desert! I am Natasha Noir, a vintage culture loving, burlesque dancing, animal loving, horror fiend who happens to love geeking out! I love positions with authority so it seems that becoming a Quiz Master was a well heeled and logical step for me. From the bottom of my little black heart with love.


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Jan 12, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Paying bills is a good thing to do.
Major Tom

So, as you guys all know, I have been the Quizmaster at two clubs for the last five years. Soon after getting the gig at the Canyon's Crown, I was given the QM slot at the Auld Dubliner on University as an emergency replacement for the QM who had been fired. The two venues were very different, but I loved them both. Well, it turns out that the deadbeat owner at the Dub was not paying any of his bills, and the day after Quiz there last week, the power was shut off, and the Dub was repossessed. Many many Quizmasters have lost a venue, but usually they are made aware of it in advance. Usually it's a venue that hasn't caught on, and the management decides they don't want to pay for Quiz any more.
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Jan 05, 2017
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Candy is supposed to be sweet!
Major Tom

America is a melting pot of all kinds of different cultures. This, on the whole, is a good thing, despite what our President-elect and the millions of people who voted for him would have you believe. One of the great things about having people of different cultures living here is the many kinds of delicious foods that we have available to us. Here's the thing, though. There are some things that certain people just get totally wrong. My example is that Mexicans do not understand candy. Candy is supposed to be sweet. Chile powder is not candy. Mexicans do not understand this. So last night, a table had a bright red cup of goo on their table. When I came over to take their team picture, I was
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Dec 29, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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I hope you are all well.
Major Tom

I pride myself on a few things. One of them is my badass immune system. Years of teaching and being around filthy disease bags (you know them as children) has given me a pretty hardcore immunity to just about everything. Unfortunately, one got past the goalie this week, and I am pretty darn sick right now. One of the other things I pride myself on is my ability to get through things even when I'm sick, and most people won't even realize that I'm not feeling well. That's what happened last night at Quiz. I felt really quite awful last night, but I don't think any of you noticed. You probably also didn't notice that I went back into the kitchen and licked the rims of all the glasses. Hey, if
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Dec 22, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Quiz bless us, every one.
Major Tom

You guys are too good to me and Dini. We got such an outpouring of love from our Quizzers last night. The pile of cookies and other goodies we had to haul ot of the Crown was almost too much to carry in one trip to the car. It's really nice to feel so appreciated, and you guys need to know that we appreciate you as well. We look forward to seeing all of you every Thursday night, and I just wanted to tell you that so that three ghosts don't haunt me tonight and make me do it anyway. So, semester one of teaching high school is in the books, and I'm finally on Christmas Break. I haven't had time to start Christmas shopping at all yet. I haven't gotten to get a haircut or even to shave
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Dec 15, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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I hope you Star Wars people are happy.
Major Tom

Rogue one stole quite a few of our Quizzers from the Crown last night. I get it. Had I not been Quizmastering, I would have wanted to be at the theater too. Thanks to everyone who didn't go see Rogue one last night. For those of you who did go, here's what you missed. We had a Quiz For A Cause, which is a charity fundraiser that we sometimes do. The charity in this case was called Social Sitter. You can check out what they do at www.mysocialsitter.com Michele was there on behalf of the charity and played the Quiz with her family, who were very nice despite the fact that they were Ohio State people. (Go Blue) Anyway, the Quizzers donated
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Dec 08, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Fantastic Deaths And Where To Find Them
Major Tom

Last night's Round Seven gave us clips from people who the editors apparently wish death upon. I'm pretty sure that Adam Sandler was a joke. He's annoying and not funny (except in "Happy Gilmore"), but wishing he was dead? I doubt it. Anyway, there has been some talk about hw brutal that round was. People seem to think it's wrong to wish death on people. I, for one, do not wish death on Roger Goodell or Paula Deen. Not even Bill Cosby. That man made me laugh so hard for years. Say what you want about him, he enriched a lot of our lives for a long time. The clip included in the round was from his dentists routine on one of the first cassette tapes I ever owned. My family used to play his tapes
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Dec 01, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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I miss the heat already.
Major Tom

It's finally too cold to sit outside during Quiz. You asked for this. Everyone has been complaining all year about how hot it's been. Well, here you go. It's cold. I hope you're happy. I'm not. There's a reason why I live in Arizona. I hate cold. I hate cold mostly because I hate wearing layers. Anything more than a t-shirt, and I feel like I'm suffocating. I've already knocked over three drinks with my stupid jacket sleeves. Well, at least I'm not spending money on air conditioning anymore. A Quizmaster from Seattle posted a question yesterday on the Facebook page for Quizmasters. He asked if any of us who had been hosting Quiz for years ever thought about regular teams who used to
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Nov 17, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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I've got nothing else to say.
Major Tom

You may know that I have three jobs. I have the main one that pays the bills as a high school history teacher. I have this one, that doesn't, unfortunately, pay the bills, but does give me a little extra cash and a lot of enjoyment. And I am a video jockey on Heavy Metal Television. Last weekend, I went to the Fourth Annual Heavy Metal Television Awards in Phoenix. I was hanging around with guys like David Ellefson from Megadeth and Mick Brown from Dokken all night, watching bands play, and trying to rid the world of whiskey, one glass at a time. It was a lot of fun. Then the awards part of the night came up and I got the award for Best Video Jock. I went up on stage and received my
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Nov 10, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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You're fired! And Force-choked!
Major Tom

We had a monster crowd last night. It's good to see. I suppose I have job security on my second job. Thanks to the events of this Tuesday, my primary job may not be so safe. Of course, the flip side of that coin is that there are a ton of answer sheets to grade, pictures to take, and people to generally be friendly with. I try my best to spend a couple of minutes talking to every team. I like to think that's part of what makes people feel welcome and want to keep coming back. I could be wrong. Maybe you're all thinking, "Geez, I wish Tom would shut up and move this Quiz along." You can't please all of the people all of the time, as a previous President (who actually was qualified for the office)
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Nov 03, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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What if the Cubs had left early?
Major Tom

Scorekeeper Dini had ebola last night. (Or some other horrible tropical disease, I'm not really sure.) She called up a temporary replacement for the evening. Jeff the Chemist. Some of you may have heard of him. He's been a Quizzer since I first started quizzing at Club Congress five and a half years ago. He was the guy to beat at Congress, and he only rarely got beaten. He's now a regular at my other venue, and his team regularly wipes out the competition. He became a Quizmaster this year, although he unfortunately got assigned a loser club that folded rather quickly. Jeff is a really smart dude, who knows a lot about a lot of things. The only part of the whole Quiz process that he isn't good
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Oct 27, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Halloween needs to be a federal holiday.
Major Tom

Well, that's it, folks. The end of another October of Quizzes. I'm sure you don't all get as excited about Halloween season as Scorekeeper Dini and I do, but you should. We gave away a ton of extra Halloween-y prizes and got to wear all our horror themed shirts. Unfortunately, the day itself is on a Monday this year. That should be changed by an act of Congress. Halloween should always be on a Saturday. At the very least, it should always be on a Quiz day. A day that important deserves better than a Monday. The funniest thing that happened last night was during the round on Islam. The answer to Question 1 was obviously Muhammad. One team yelled out a question. "Can we answer with a
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Oct 20, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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You think Congress is gridlocked?
Major Tom

As a kid, most of us could simply not wait to start driving. I loved driving once I finally got my chance. Years later, I hate it more than just about anything. High gas prices, stifling traffic, construction, predatory cops looking to give tickets in order to raise revenue, potholes, idiots on the road doing their best to run into you. The whole thing is just maddening. So, last night, I left really early for Quiz. I wanted to have time to leisurely eat a meal before Quiz began. I also had this stupid thing I wanted to do with the music. I wanted to play all of "2112" by Rush, which is a 21 minute song. I don't know why, I just did. So, I left with plenty of time to do those things. I drove
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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The Canyon's Crown Restaurant & Pub
6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Oct 13, 2016
[Thursdays @ 8:00 pm]
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Should I bother to look up Lana Del Rey?
Major Tom

Last night's Visual Round had drawings of celebrities that you had to identify. One of the celebrities was Lana Del Rey. I would not recognize Lana Del Rey if she came up and sat in my lap, but apparently, she's a singer. One team identified that picture as Scorekeeper Dini. Now, not having any idea who Lana Del Rey is, I have no idea whether Dini looks like her or not, but taking a second look at the drawing, it really did look like Dini. I think she needs to figure out a way to use this. We had a huge crowd last night. It's always difficult to get through everything by 10:00 with a crowd that large, but we do our best. One of the things that makes it difficult is that with so many
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Oct 06, 2016
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Bye, IPAs! Don't let the door hit you in the ass!
Major Tom

It's October, and that of course is when all the spooky, scary, and weird stuff traditionally comes out. It's the time for The Walking Dead season premiere, for horror movies on TV at all times, for haunted houses and corn mazes, and for decent temperatures in Arizona. But here's what's really important about October showing up when you work in a bar. THe stupid IPAs of summer go away! Who decided that IPAs were where it's at anyway? They're pretty terrible. The arrival of October means the beer menu changes to ciders and stouts and porters (with or without pumpkin), and dark ales. It makes me enjoy drinking again. Of course, that might not be such a good thing. Being October, it's
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points. 


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6958 East Tanque Verde Road
Tucson, AZ
85715
Thursday, Sep 29, 2016
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I'm glad nothing blew up last night.
Major Tom

Ever have one of those days? As you know, I have two Quiz venues. One of them is always teetering on the edge of disaster. The other is a well-oiled machine. Dini and I love them both, but if there is going to be one of them that has one of those days, it's not going to be the Crown. Except that this week, it was the Crown. I got to the Crown a bit late, and found that the place was absolutely packed. September typically gets a little sparse, and last week was no exception. I was amazed to see that we had a big job in front of us last night. So, we start to set up, and the extension cord we use was missing. The staff found a different one, and we hooked everything up, only to find that it
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My name is Tom.  I got into this gig by kicking everyone's ass at the Quiz at Club Congress on a weekly basis until they pretty much had to give me a job.  Now I do 2 clubs in Tucson, and you should be at both of them.  Besides doing this, I play in a ska-punk band called Troy's Bucket, and I have a job teaching 7th grade social studies.  I'm a huge metal and punk fan, but I also dig a lot of other stuff.  Halloween is my Christmas.  A lot of that has to do with my birthday, December 24th, being totally ignored thanks to Christmas.  I left the sinking ship that is Detroit, but I still love the Red Wings.  That's a hockey team.  Hockey is the greatest sport in the world.  I am single, so feel free to line up at the QM's table to meet me.  I drink Guinness, so feel free to send one my way.  I still won't give you any extra points.